About Getting Harpooned…

A few years back a friend of mine contacted me because she and I hadn’t seen each other in over a decade, and in her words, she said, “I found you on a site that listed you among people who have gone to the devil (along with a bunch of other people I really respect), and I just had to see what you were up to!”

Well, I’ve always wondered what site had me as having ‘gone to the devil’ but didn’t want to get mired down so I didn’t really look for it.  In response (in case anyone cared to know what my response would be), I created a post called Trick or Treat.

But today, I think I may have found it (accidentally)!!  I was searching for something else, and stumbled onto an article that debunked some things that were found on my site.

So, in case you didn’t know, I am LDS (a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also known as a Mormon, which many people do not consider Christian, but that’s a topic for another day.  One reader asked me about it, and you can read her question and my response here.)

Ironically, for those of you reading this who are not of my faith, it was a member of my own church who judged me to be deceived. I like to think that all Mormons and other Christians try to be Christ-like, which means not judging another, which means being patient, forgiving of all people no matter how sinful we think they are…

But we’re all on this journey together, just doing our best to become better every day. I’ve judged people too.  Still, I’m trying to remember that I would probably do and say the same things as another person if I had the same upbringing, understanding, and experiences as him or her.

So I think this is a valuable discussion. Let’s begin…

I’ll quote from her site:

“Leslie Householder teaches the law of attraction. She is an LDS author…

“Where are we taught this in the scriptures? Where does the Lord promise blessings in this life? He promises eternal ones, treasures in heaven not treasures on earth. The Occult teaches men to will material success into their lives. Ironically they teach this at first, then they teach you not to want material things but to want to attract world peace instead. These principles are to catch people by their selfish desires for wealth and abundance. Then once they have caught them, they teach them the higher laws and to use the Law of Attraction for the good of all, not just themselves. So it is a great way to entice people by their temporal desires to turn into helpers of Lucifer by showing them it is best for them too. They then teach that if you live the higher laws of using the power of attraction, sending goodwill out into the world, you are invoking Lucifer to come forth with his Plan.

“I checked to see if Leslie Householder’s books were sold at Deseret Books they were not.”

Here is my reply (her site says she isn’t keeping up on her blog right now, so I sent my reply to her on Facebook instead.)

Hi Rosabella,

I was searching the internet and came upon your blog post at http://www.fatherthywillbedone.com/loa-changing-lds-and-christian-beliefs/ To my surprise, you were talking about me!

I completely respect your opinion, but felt like I needed to say something about your ~judgment~…  You quoted a few paragraphs from my site and wondered, where was my focus on God? I realize you probably didn’t read any of my books (Jackrabbit Factor, Hidden Treasures, and Portal to Genius) because my words on the website may have appeared similar to occultist ideas… but the much needed focus on God is the main reason I wrote my books in the first place.

(You wouldn’t quote three solitary paragraphs of President Hinckley’s biography and say, “Where is the focus on his baptism?” It’s probably there, but not necessarily in those three paragraphs. I assure you, the importance of God’s role in our success is paramount in my work.)

I imagine you must be aware of the fact that Satan always has a slightly “off” counterfeit to the Lord’s true doctrine.  Too often, we dodge the doctrine itself because it seems too similar to the counterfeits we are trying so hard to avoid.

In the last days, we were told that men would call good evil, and evil good.  It happens all the time, and I see it happening here.

FYI, the source for my work was never The Secret (I wrote mine first), it was never Neale Donald Walsh (I had never heard of him), or Louise Hay (or her)… I’ve had to be discerning about my sources, too (because I care about that more than you seem to think I do).

Some of the primary sources I’ve drawn from for all three of my books are As a Man Thinketh by James Allen (whose book has been quoted many times by the church’s General Authorities including President Kimball in Miracle of Forgiveness), Sterling Sill’s book Laws of Success (he was a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy and Assistant to the 12 Apostles), and Bob Proctor (author of You Were Born Rich, and who, although he was not a member of the church, was brought in by the Toronto Mission President Carl W. Bacon in the 1980s to teach the missionaries how increase their success using these principles).

I also refer to a book called The Science of Getting Rich by Wallace Wattles, which in my opinion was named entirely incorrectly, because there is more reverence and reference to working with God and his universal laws to achieve your goals than there is about ‘doing it yourself’.

As I was learning these things, I wondered if it was SAFE to read from other sources besides the scriptures. It was while prayerfully seeking an answer to this question that I found my answer at the Los Angeles temple where there is a plaque on the wall – a quote from Brigham Young who said, “Mormonism’ embraces all truth that is revealed and that is unrevealed, whether religious, political, scientific, or philosophical.”

I’d like to also mention the last article of faith by which we Mormons try to live:

We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

And then there’s our very own Doctrine and Covenants which says in 88:118:

And as all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another words of wisdom; yea, seek ye out of the best books words of wisdom; seek learning, even by study and also by faith.

You might find it interesting to know that I first heard of Bob Proctor at a seminar with thousands of attendees in 2000, when, although he is not Mormon, quoted this verse from the Doctrine and Covenants that he probably found in Sterling Sill’s book:

There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated– And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated. [D&C 130:30–21]

Here is a man who recognized a true principle, and did not judge it to be evil, even though the source may have been contrary to his personal belief system. I think we can learn from his example.

Brigham Young also said, “‘Mormonism’ embraces all the truth that there is in heaven and on the earth; and if there is any in hell it belongs to us.”

So, if Mormonism claims to have the fullness of all truth (or at least claims to be gathering it as fast as the Lord reveals it), then we – especially as individuals – should never prematurely claim to have already received it all.

I think we shouldn’t be so afraid to learn from others, to take it all in and weigh it against the truth we have.  If it’s true, it will fit. If it isn’t true, it won’t fit.  I challenge you to read As a Man Thinketh or any of the other sources I listed and tell me what of them does not fit.

A few years ago I read another book that I feel did a much better job than I did at explaining the concepts from an LDS perspective. I wrote my book when I was only 30, but this other book was written by a retired BYU professor of ancient scripture, M. Catherine Thomas.  Her book is called Light in the Wilderness and I’ve said many times it’s the book I wish I had written. (And yes, it’s available at Deseret Book) although…

I do find it interesting that you judge a book to contain true doctrine or not based on whether or not Deseret Book carries it.

To make my point: I just now did a random search on their website, and found a book called The Secrets of the Immortal Nicholas Flamel – whose description of Book 2: The Magician was this: “It’s time for Sophie to learn the second elemental magic: Fire Magic. And there’s only one man who can teach it to her: Flamel’s old student, the Comte de Saint-Germain — alchemist, magician, and rock star.”

Alchemist, magician, rock star…  Entertainment? Absolutely. Gospel doctrine? You tell me.

Besides that point, I will tell you why I am not at Deseret Book… (although my book IS at many of the other LDS bookstores) – because it wasn’t a popular topic in 2004 when I sent it to them for consideration, (The Secret hadn’t been released yet). And truly, it’s no sweat off my back if a person has to get my self-published book from a different book seller.

Additionally, when I sent them the manuscript in 2004 or so (to see if they wanted to publish it), as well as to several other LDS publishers, I had already been making it available as an ebook for two years prior, and people wanted the paperback asap. Deseret Book required that I give them an exclusive look for at least 3 months (which means all the other publishers had to wait in line) and even if they decided they wanted to publish it, it would have taken up to a year or more to make it available. By deciding to self publish it, I had it available to my readership within a few weeks.  (Also, the book is for a wider audience than just the LDS people, so it was never my point to make sure they carried it.)

Deseret Book is a business. They are not the sole and exclusive library of Mormon Doctrine, otherwise you wouldn’t see Harry Potter, nor any other work of fiction there.

Not sure if you were aware, but yes, they did even carry The Secret when it came out because there was a demand for it.  They also carried Twilight (vampire romance novel), but later pulled if from their shelves.

Each of these controversial books are currently “not available”, but were at one time sold through their store as you can see from the links above. Does that mean they were once doctrinal, but are no longer?

As Deseret News reported, Deseret Book spokeswoman Leigh Dethman issued a statement from the company explaining such decisions:

“Our top priority is to meet the needs of our customers, who increasingly represent a variety of viewpoints,” the statement said. “Like any retailer, our purpose is to offer products that are embraced and expected by our customers. When we find products that are met with mixed review, we typically move them to special order status.”

So, I’d think twice before you use Deseret Book as your measuring stick for what’s doctrine. They’re selling what people will buy. But don’t worry, people who understand this and how their business works will read your site commentary and understand that you’re probably just uninformed.

Because of sites like yours, there have been some people who won’t even dare look at the principles of right thinking. I know you mean well, but you might want to make sure you don’t steer someone from the answer that the Lord might be trying to send them.

This month’s issue of the Ensign is all about this topic. President Monson’s article is all about positive thinking… you should read that one. It’s called “Living the Abundant Life“.  Elder Cristofferson’s talk about “Recognizing God’s Hand in Our Daily Blessings” is also spot on and in complete harmony with my books (especially Portal to Genius), and even very similar to my own family’s story.

To save you some time (so you don’t have to actually read my book to get the whole truth), here is MY official stance on the controversy:
Human Empowerment in Perspective

I thank you for your blog even though it wasn’t very flattering… because it spawned an important discussion.

About Getting Harpooned

By the way, one of my dearest friends is a public figure in Utah who keeps a close friendship with the President of the Church (current and previous).  One day my friend was criticized in the newspaper for something socially controversial. In fact, he’s still a public figure, and still controversial.

When he was lynched in the paper, President Benson called him and said, “So! I hear you got harpooned today!”

My friend replied, “Yes, sir, I did.”

President Benson said, “Good for you, good for you.  Go out and do some more good, so you can get harpooned some more.”

President Benson taught my friend, “It is the badge we wear when we are anxiously engaged in a good cause: that we will be known for good and evil.”

Those words bring me comfort when I read a blog like yours.  I know that God is my judge, and I’m at peace with my work, just as I’m sure you are at peace with yours. Thank heavens we won’t be judged by each other, but by the Perfect Judge who will size us up by the thoughts and intents of our heart.

I learn a little more each day and make the adjustments needed when I find out I am wrong. Through it all, I’ve learned to accept the opinions of the critical few because I know they are only passing judgment based on where they are and their present understanding of things.  I don’t think they will be condemned for that, and I certainly hope and pray they won’t be. Their intent is to protect and warn their fellow man from deviant paths. That’s definitely honorable and praiseworthy.

So these are my words of caution: In every case where I have passed judgment on another person, the Lord has an uncanny way of rearranging my life until I can see the world from that person’s point of view and it softens my heart to them.  I’m sure by the time my life is complete, I will have no room to judge another in the slightest.  Please do judge carefully.

I wish you well, and thank you again for giving me something to write about.

Warm regards,

Leslie Householder

(I invited her to respond. I said: “PS. You’ll find my truncated post about this at [what is now] https://www.ararekindoffaith.com/. If you would like to respond to it, I would be happy to post your reply as well.”  I hope she does.)

A new afterthought… I wonder if she was especially bothered because I used the word “self-help” on my webpage. If so, then the story behind that may be of interest, too:

I hired a marketing coach in 2006 to help me learn how to bring traffic to my websites. We determined that the word “self-help” was one of the keywords that my audience would probably be using to seek the kind of information I had to offer. Although my materials are about how to partner with God to achieve your highest potential, my target audience wasn’t necessarily going to be using the more specific words that my site naturally provided. So, as ‘naturally’ as I knew how, I intentionally worked that term into my webpages. I figured, people will go searching for how to help themselves, and if they end up on my site, and begin to read my books, they eventually realize my position, that they need to partner with their Creator to be wise about the goals they choose, and to enlist His help in accomplishing them.

New: One of my readers sent me this excerpt, which I think is a great addition to this discussion, CLICK HERE to read a powerful quote on this topic by President Boyd K. Packer.


The Law of Vibration and the Spirit of God

This is the transcript of a chat I conducted many years ago, but I just found it in my files and thought I’d share it with my readers. Enjoy!

“The Law of Vibration and the Spirit of God” with Leslie Householder

Chat held as an unofficial follow-up after the SheLovesGod Virtual Women’s Conference Nov. 21, 2004

19:34:49 [LoriS] I still don’t really understand the Law of Vibration. Any tips on that one?

19:38:25 [LoriS] How does it work in Christianity terms?

19:38:42 [LoriS] Prayer, etc.

19:39:39 [marniep] Yes, prayer… promptings from the Holy Spirit.

19:40:15 [marniep] visions, dreams, revelations… all fall in this category

19:42:09 Leslie enters this room

19:42:31 [marniep] Hi Leslie… Lori, ask Leslie your questions about Law of Vibration…

19:42:33 [LoriS] hello, Leslie.

19:43:18 [LoriS] Leslie, I was trying to understand the Law of Vibration. It’s the most difficult one for me.

19:43:20 [Amy] Hi Leslie !

19:44:31 [Leslie] tell me what you know, or what you’ve been told so far, so I can hone in a little better than just spouting out of the blue

19:45:29 [LoriS] Feel free to spout, I don’t mind. But I am specifically wondering how the Law of Vibration works with Christianity.

19:45:46 [LoriS] Is it a mindset that I need to have during prayer?

19:46:18 [Leslie] okay, tell me this: have you ever been to a church meeting where you really really felt something powerful?

19:46:25 [marniep] you listened to Leslie’s call on Monday – right Lori?

19:46:30 [Leslie] as you listened to the sermon

19:46:46 [LoriS] Yes, I listened to that call. That’s the only thing I’ve ever heard about this law.

19:47:23 [LoriS] Yes, I have been to a sermon like that. I remember zoning in on the preacher in such a focused way that all else seemed to black out , like a camera lens.

19:47:25 [Leslie] in Christianity, I think most of us call it “feeling the Spirit”

19:47:38 [Leslie] is that how you interpreted the feeling?

19:48:09 [LoriS] “feeling the Spirit?”

19:48:13 [Leslie] yeah

19:48:26 [LoriS] Or, something powerful — I’d say it was something powerful.

19:48:50 [Leslie] okay, would you say it came from God?

19:49:03 [LoriS] Yes

19:49:27 [LoriS] It was what I needed at the right time

19:49:40 [Leslie] if you wanted to feel it again, what do you think you would do to prepare yourself for such an experience?

19:50:15 [LoriS] Wait is the thing that comes to mind!

19:50:34 [LoriS] And keep an open ear and open heart/mind

19:51:11 [Leslie] yes, and I’ll add a few things to the list based on my own experiences…

19:51:26 [LoriS] ok

19:51:46 [Leslie] after feeling that kind of power, that kind of “communication” or whatever it was, from God…

19:52:22 [Leslie] I have been able to feel it many many times in my life when I have these elements in my mind or heart…

19:53:00 [Leslie] a desire for it, humility, obedience to the commandments,

19:53:44 [Leslie] but an important part is to focus, and concentrate, in a spiritual way…

19:54:05 [Leslie] seeking a oneness with God

19:54:27 [Leslie] and when I am prepared in these ways…

19:55:12 [Leslie] I can go to my church meetings and it doesn’t matter what the preacher is saying, I feel the direct communication from the Lord, and the message reaches me.
19:55:53 [Leslie] I believe that this explains why two people sitting in church can get two different things out of the meeting…
19:56:16 [Leslie] because they are each at a different place in their life, needing different messages from the Lord…
19:56:51 [marniep] The spirit translates the message into whatever you need to hear.

19:56:54 [Leslie] I imagine that the time you had your experience, you might have been near someone else that DIDN’T experience it too…

19:57:21 [LoriS] Likely

19:57:22 [Leslie] before I go on to tie this in with the Law of Vibration, is this making sense so far?

19:57:41 [Amy] yes !
19:57:52 [Leslie] Lori?

19:58:04 [LoriS] Yes, I think it may have been what you are talking about when I prayed once about my dh and then every sermon, every radio talk,

19:58:14 [LoriS] etc., kept being about “serving.”

19:58:32 [Leslie] wow. Yes, that’s it.

19:58:34 [LoriS] I started “serving” Tim and great things happened after that between us – an answer to prayer.

19:58:42 [Leslie] now, this is the really neat part…

19:59:01 [Leslie] (that’s really neat, Lori)

19:59:14 [Leslie] Do you know what tuning forks are?

19:59:25 [LoriS] Yes

19:59:50 [Leslie] I have two really large tuning forks, each mounted on a sounding box…

20:00:32 [Leslie] so that the part you normally hold is stuck to the top surface of a wooden box that is open on two opposing ends.

20:01:00 [Leslie] I can put them near each other, but not touching, and when I strike one of them…

20:01:22 [Leslie] if they are in tune with each other, the other fork will actually start to “sing” as well

20:01:38 [LoriS] Wow!

20:01:41 [Leslie] if they are slightly out of tune with each other, then when I strike the first one,

20:01:49 [Leslie] the other one stays dead silent.

20:02:24 [Leslie] This shows me that if WE are “in tune” with God, then his messages will resonate with our own spirits.

20:02:47 [Leslie] if we are out of tune, then quite often we just don’t “get it”

20:03:18 [Leslie] we control how in tune we are with Him by the thoughts we keep in our minds… “as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he”

20:04:04 [Leslie] now the Law of Vibration states that everything vibrates. If we have had 9th grade chemistry, we learned that on the molecular level, that is true.

20:04:25 [Leslie] the table in front of me, as solid as it seems, is actually in a state of vibration…

20:05:06 [Leslie] water is H2O in a liquid vibratory state, but as ice, the vibrations are slower, and as vapor, the vibrations are extremely rapid.

20:05:29 [Leslie] WE are vibrating.

20:05:51 [Leslie] a “feeling” is nothing more than a conscious awareness of a particular vibration

20:07:08 [Leslie] so when we “feel” something at church, or as we read God’s word, then we can be aware that our own vibration (if you will) is at the moment in harmony with the Spirit of the Lord

20:07:21 [Leslie] just like the second tuning fork

20:07:33 [LoriS] LIGHT BULB moment here! I get the law of vibration! I needed the visual of the tuning forks!

20:07:56 [Leslie] so, how do we apply this idea to our lives and abundance? That’s where I’ll go next unless you have any questions

20:08:03 [LoriS] This makes it easier to stop questioning whether a “feeling” is from God or not.

20:08:14 [Leslie] yes!

20:08:34 [Leslie] if it persuades us to believe in Christ then it is most definitely from God

20:09:04 [marniep] and Lori, you can go back to Galatians 5:22 that we discussed earlier to tell whether a feeling comes from God: “The fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance”

20:09:23 [Leslie] now I seek abundance in my own life. I have a lot of goals for myself and my family that frankly will cost a good deal of money…

20:09:59 [Leslie] but as I choose my goals, I like to pray about them and see if I get that feeling, so I can know if it is an appropriate desire for me to have.

20:10:05 [LoriS] Thanks, Marnie

20:10:17 [Leslie] once I get that, then look out because I know He’s on my side

20:10:31 [LoriS] Does that also help you with timing — what to pursue first?

20:11:06 [Leslie] yeah, so often we are faced with so many GOOD choices that we get all gummed up and get nothing done…

20:11:53 [LoriS] I do that a LOT

20:12:39 [Leslie] but I’ve discovered that He seems to make me sort things out on my own first, as if He’s trying to make me grow, and when I use my own judgement to set priorities, I then take it to Him with “this is what I’ve come up with, is this right?” and I check for that feeling. If I feel peace, then I know
20:13:39 [Leslie] it’s right. If I feel confusion, then I rethink and try to come up with some other idea. Fear is NOT an answer, because He is never the author of fear. That’s the “enemy’s” job

20:13:44 [Leslie] (Satan)
20:14:16 [LoriS] Confusion is usually Satan? Or at least it is not God?

20:14:35 [Leslie] no, confusion is just the absence of peace.

20:14:43 [Leslie] fear is Satan’s answer

20:14:48 [marniep] It’s an absense of the Spirit

20:15:09 [marniep] Think Spirit=Peace, Spirit=Joy

20:15:14 [LoriS] When you say “fear”, does confusion fall into that same category?

20:15:26 [marniep] Without those, you don’t have the Holy Spirit’s seal of approval on your choice.

20:15:28 [Leslie] so when I pray, I am looking for peace and love versus confusion. Confusion is just, like Marnie said, the absence of the Spirit, or the absence of peace

20:15:45 [Leslie] no, confusion is not in the same category as fear

20:15:51 [LoriS] ok

20:15:56 [Leslie] confusion for me after a prayer like that is like…

20:16:23 [Leslie] my mind darting all over the place and the utter inability to hold the thought of my idea I came to HIm with.

20:16:33 [Leslie] does that make sense?
20:17:11 [LoriS] Obviously I feel confused a lot, so I’m asking about it the most!

20:17:26 [LoriS] Yes, I’ve felt that way after prayer.

20:17:37 [LoriS] YOu’re both really clearing this up for me. I haven’t know what

20:17:44 [LoriS] known…what is or isn’t from God.

20:18:08 [Leslie] well when you have a light bulb moment, that is sort of how it feels to tap into pure truth. It makes sense, it feels good, it causes your faith to grow, it brings a bit of joy…

20:18:38 [Leslie] I think that’s how God leads us along, steering us on how to live in the happiest way possible.
20:20:17 [Leslie] so, Lori, are you looking for how to have more abundance in your life?
20:21:06 [LoriS] Yes, very much! God has been working on me intensely over the past 4 years. I wasn’t making Him a priority, but more and more I”ve felt Him

20:21:27 [LoriS] nudging me. So many things in my life have changed over those years.
20:21:54 [Leslie] what kind of abundance are you seeking now… more understanding of Him, or financial, or in relationships… anything specific?
20:22:11 [LoriS] I told Marnie and Amy that God has led me to be a writer since I was a little girl — now I know it is in the direction of helping other young moms — like Titus 2 , in “keeping the home.”
20:23:11 [LoriS] Um, financial is a concern — dh lost his job 8 weeks ago (in a weird, no sense to it kind of way – I can’t help but think God has his hand in it)

20:23:36 [LoriS] Even though finances is a concern, I”m not really concerned though.
20:23:47 [Leslie] that’s good

20:23:48 [LoriS] If I could change one thing I KNOW what it would be.
20:23:48 [LoriS] If I could change one thing I KNOW what it would be.

20:24:16 [LoriS] I haven’t been spending quality time with God. Just little snippets of devotionals, little praise-prayers.

20:24:18 [Leslie] what would it be?

20:24:45 [LoriS] I’d like to spend more time with Him — I’m trying to get up at 6am to get an hour in before the kids (4 of them, ages 1 to 9) wake up.

20:25:04 [Leslie] okay, good

20:25:06 [LoriS] I’d change that habit of not being with God.
20:25:40 [LoriS] (I’m not doing well at the getting up thing — I’m 50/50 now. Something keeps getting in the way!)

20:25:43 [Leslie] sounds like you are already changing that habit
20:25:59 [LoriS] How do you keep Satan out of the way for a while?
20:26:17 [Leslie] what kinds of things get in the way?

20:26:31 [LoriS] My second change would be to start writing regularly.
20:27:15 [Leslie] because you enjoy it or because you are shooting for a certain accomplishment?

20:27:22 [LoriS] The kids will get up too early, I won’t get enough sleep the night before, etc. I’m very flexible and a creative-type person.

20:27:31 [LoriS] It’s hard to be self-disciplined.
20:28:21 [LoriS] As far as writing — yes, I know that I am supposed to write . And I know it is to be for young mothers. “Keeping the home” is the theme that has lately been on my heart — from Titus 2.

20:29:56 [Leslie] lol, I am in the middle of the same effort. I have a handful of kids myself, and trying to get up at 5 to walk with a friend, and then study before the kids get up. I’m afraid I am not the guru on this one. On the other hand, if you want your dh to get a great job, or if you want someTHING I can

20:30:06 [Leslie] tell you exactly how to do that

20:30:20 [LoriS] LOL

20:30:31 [LoriS] I’ll tell you 2 things.

20:30:54 [LoriS] I want to write a book OR you can choose dh getting a great job, we need that income!

21:22:56 [Leslie] so you decide what it is that you want. Be as specific as possible.

21:23:15 [Leslie] I’ll take the example of your dh’s job.

21:24:21 [Leslie] Back to the law, the fact that everything vibrates. Everything has a specific vibratory characteristic. A carrot has a specific vibration associated with it. Everything does.

21:25:59 [Leslie] imagine you go into some fast food restaurant.

21:26:24 [Leslie] Now imagine going into the fanciest restaurant in town.

21:26:41 [Lori] ok

21:26:46 [Leslie] both have food, both have employees, both have parking lots, etc…

21:27:09 [Leslie] but one has a better “atmosphere”, would you agree?

21:28:28 [Lori] Absolutely!

21:28:37 [Leslie] Have you ever been somewhere that was so utterly lavish, you felt uncomfortable? (any kind of place, not just a restaurant)

21:28:55 [Lori] Yes, I’m not uppity-up. I feel out of place there.

21:29:28 [Leslie] on the other hand, have you ever been somewhere really horrible, maybe it was filthy, and you felt uncomfortable there, too?

21:29:48 [Lori] Yes

21:30:25 [Leslie] We must realize that everything, not just ojects, have a specific vibration. Situations have a specific vibration. Places do, people do, everything does.

21:30:56 [Lori] Which is why we feel uncomfortable in those places.

21:31:14 [Leslie] When we feel uncomfortable, it is because WE are not in harmony with that particular vibration.

21:31:17 [Leslie] right

21:31:28 [Lori] That makes sense.

21:31:35 [Leslie] So the point is, and the most sobering part of this law is this…

21:32:47 [Leslie] we are in harmony right now with the situations we are in. The way we live, the balance in our checkbook, everything about our life, is the way it is because subconsciously we are in perfect harmony with it.

21:33:00 [Leslie] We might not like it…

21:33:14 [Leslie] and we might do everything we know how to change it….

21:33:44 [Leslie] but until we change the state of our vibration, we will continue to live as we do.

21:33:54 [Leslie] let me illustrate…

21:34:35 [Leslie] imagine you have a drop of water and a drop of milk…

21:34:42 [Lori] ok

21:34:57 [Leslie] and you bring them close together gradually, what will happen to them?

21:35:50 [Lori] They will mix, becoming watery milk

21:36:03 [Leslie] would you have to try very hard to get them to join?

21:36:18 [Lori] not at all

21:36:59 [Leslie] kind of like the way clouds gather. The moisture is in the air, and they gather and join together very automatically…

21:37:22 [Leslie] but then take a drop of water and a drop of vegetable oil. Could you make them join?

21:37:33 [Lori] no, they repel

21:38:05 [Leslie] the water and milk (or water and water as in clouds) are in harmonious vibration with each other. The water and the oil are not.

21:38:30 [Leslie] So here’s how this works:

21:40:11 [Leslie] If I am experiencing lack of any kind, then my mind is in harmony with lack, and unless I change my vibration, I will continue to draw to myself experiences and people and circumstances that lend to more of the same: lack.

21:41:22 [Lori] That makes sense when you imagine the poor communities that stay poor and never seem to get out of poverty.

21:41:30 [Leslie] Have you noticed that when people are down and out, they are more likely to be the ones to end up with a fender bender at the grocery store, or with a bike stolen off their property, or forget to pay a bill and get hit with a late fee…

21:42:31 [Lori] Yes, we’ve had a string of things happen in the last 8 weeks, adn I kept saying, “We’re having such bad luck.” Over and over I said that, until listening to the

21:42:36 [Lori] conference this week.

21:43:07 [Leslie] as much as they hate it, they continue to attract hardships because they think about them, talk about them, complain about them… they are so focused on worry and hardship, that they are literally keeping themselves in the same vibration that attracted all the problems in the first place.

21:43:27 [Leslie] like water to water.

21:43:41 [Leslie] and then there are the rich people

21:44:55 [Leslie] some people have never experienced lack, and they expect things will go their way, because it always does, and they always have all they need, and more, and with that mindset, they are literally keeping themselves in the right vibration to be in the right places at the right times to be drawn to

21:45:06 [Lori] Does the Law of Rhythm mean that we have to go through these hard times , though?

21:45:13 [Leslie] right opportunities to keep them in abundance.

21:45:31 [Lori] I have a brother who is like that last example!

21:45:48 [Lori] I have another brother who never has anything and always wonders why.

21:45:56 [Leslie] there will be what seem like ups and downs our whole life.

21:46:23 [Leslie] without them, we wouldn’t know when we feel good, because we’d have nothing to compare it to… but…

21:47:03 [Leslie] I would much rather live on an upward climb. In my mind I look at my downs as plateaus…

21:47:36 [Leslie] I think we “feel” happiness when we are up, but up can be simply relative to our previous “up”

21:48:04 [Leslie] we can either go up and down and go nowhere…

21:48:33 [Leslie] or learn and grow through each cycle and end up in a higher place

21:48:56 [Leslie] I like to illustrate this with a wavy up and down line…

21:49:06 [Leslie] which is how some people view life…

21:49:29 [Leslie] but take that wavy line and turn it 45 degrees and you have a staircase.

21:49:48 [Lori] Ah, yes!

21:49:55 [Leslie] that happens so long as we submit ourselves to changing the way we think

21:50:26 [Leslie] So are you wondering how to change our vibration?

21:50:55 [Lori] Yes, how to get what I need — like dh’s job back, or a better one than before.

21:51:53 [Leslie] okay. Do you think he would be with you in this effort of will you be doing it on your own?

21:52:12 [Lori] He would do it, too.

21:52:56 [Leslie] Take some time with him and create a list of exactly the kind of job he would like to have…

21:53:44 [Leslie] Write it down. Include the kind of salary, the kind of commute, the hours, the benefits, the kind of people he’d be working with, anything else about it that he can think of.

21:53:57 [Lori] ok

21:54:00 [Leslie] Where do you live?

21:54:49 [Lori] Fairhope, Alabama, on the Florida border – on the Gulf Coast

21:55:19 [Leslie] how many people in your community would you guess?

21:56:03 [Lori] Fairhope is small – only a few thousand. Jobs are in the bigger towns.

21:56:18 [Lori] Only around 300,000 in the whole county, which is pretty large.

21:56:27 [Leslie] okay, did he commute before?

21:56:56 [Lori] To a town called Daphne. There are I think about 10,000 there but a booming town.

21:57:41 [Lori] No, 10,000 is too small. Maybe more like 40,000 in Daphne. I’m guessing based on teh county size.

21:58:02 [Leslie] Well, as you make the list, also take the time to talk aobut and feel what it would be like to actually have that kind of job.

21:58:07 [Lori] It is just a 16-mile commute.

21:58:16 [Leslie] -about- sorry

21:58:18 [Lori] The ideal job?

21:58:44 [Leslie] the part about “feeling what it would be like to have the ideal job” is the crucial factor

21:58:49 [Leslie] yes

21:59:11 [Lori] Then what?

22:00:05 [Leslie] then I would pray about it and ask, “this is what we are seeking, is this a worthy goal?”

22:00:25 [Lori] ok

22:00:30 [Leslie] And believe me, God wants us to have good things.

22:01:54 [Leslie] I just mention that because it wouldn’t be appropriate to apply these principles if we were seeking to have the fancy car for the purpose of making our brother in law think you are better than him or something goofy like that.

22:02:20 [Lori] Yes, I see what you mean!

22:03:39 [Leslie] I mention that also because we are told over and over in the scriptures that if we ask, we shall receive. So we should practice asking, and this is a great way to do that

22:03:59 [Lori] So, step one is to imagine it and write it down in detail…step 2 is to check with God.

22:04:24 [Lori] I admitted earlier to Marnie and Amy that I’m not good at asking God for much…I’m much better at praising Him.

22:05:13 [Leslie] I’d say step 2 is to imagine how it would feel first. Someone else might disagree with that, but that is how I do it.

22:05:25 [Lori] ok

22:06:03 [Leslie] after checking with God, then you spend time daily imagining how it would feel.

22:06:22 [Lori] As part of vibration?

22:06:29 [Leslie] What you are doing is training your subconscious mind to change your “vibration”

22:06:46 [Leslie] your vibration is controlled by your subconscious mind.

22:06:59 [Leslie] and you are trying to override all the old programming.

22:07:14 [Leslie] Here’s the coolest part:

22:08:28 [Leslie] when we have changed our vibration, then the things that need to happen to make the goal come true, start happening with very little effort.

22:09:22 [Leslie] someone might call with a lead, or you will be led to the right ad in the paper, or you’ll happen to drive past something that makes you think to call so-n-so…

22:09:47 [Leslie] you never know. You just act on the little nudges that come to mind.

22:10:08 [Leslie] But remember that you have to believe. Doubt and fear sabotage it all.

22:10:23 [Leslie] But because this is a LAW, you can depend on it.

22:10:25 [Lori] It’s all part of trust in God, isn’t it?

22:11:08 [Lori] When you did the class, you mentioned free will and how God can’t bless us if we are repelling it.

22:11:09 [Leslie] exactly. I remember feeling like I was supposed to have faith, but until I learned the law behind it all, it was very hard to maintain belief.

22:11:20 [Leslie] right

22:11:49 [Lori] This does make it easier to maintain belief, as you said.

22:12:03 [Leslie] I have a part 2 to this, but I want to make sure you don’t have any more questions so far about what we’ve talked about.

22:12:23 [Lori] No, it’s clear. Thanks!

22:12:36 [Leslie] okay, here’s the next coolest part:

22:12:57 [Leslie] how do you know if you have been successful in turning it over to your subconscious mind?

22:13:03 [Leslie] I’ll tell you…

22:13:31 [Leslie] first you have to understand how your subconscious mind (sc) works

22:14:22 [Leslie] it is the part of our mind that operates automatic things like keeping our heart beating. It also is what controls the kind of vibration we are in.

22:14:36 [Lori] ok

22:15:16 [Leslie] While our CONscious mind had the ability to accept or reject an idea, our SC cannot do that. Once something reaches it, it unconditionally believes the idea to be TRUTH.

22:15:45 [Leslie] Like we may have accepted the “truth” that there’s never enough money.

22:15:59 [Lori] Yes, I’ve done that one!

22:16:41 [Leslie] with that so-called “truth” in place, we are perpetually drawn by our vibration to circumstances that keep that truth alive in our environment.

22:17:19 [Leslie] Here’s another good example, “I am overweight.”

22:17:50 [Leslie] no diet, no discipline, NOTHING will change the reality until the SC has been convinced of a new truth

22:18:36 [Leslie] Even if we eat the very same things as someone else, our body will cling to whatever it needs to maintain the image we have of ourselves in our SC.

22:19:35 [Lori] Oh, that’s amazing.

22:19:48 [Leslie] So back to the question, “how do I know I have imagined the feeling long enough to change my vibration?”

22:20:06 [Lori] Right.

22:20:09 [Leslie] (the feeling of having the job in place, or whatever)

22:20:35 [Leslie] there is a completely dependable indicator…

22:20:56 [Leslie] let me ask you a question…

22:21:24 [Leslie] if you were forced to accept 2 opposing ideas as truth, how would you feel?

22:21:39 [Lori] confused

22:21:50 [Lori] and discouraged.

22:21:57 [Leslie] right

22:22:41 [Leslie] when your SC is forced to accept 2 opposing ideas as truth, it causes feelings of discomfort in you.

22:23:03 [Leslie] This shows up as fear, insecurity, dis-ease, nervousness

22:23:29 [Leslie] So suppose you have planted the idea firmly of the great job, and along comes an interview.

22:23:54 [Leslie] if you have been successful in changing your vibration, or at least disturbing it from its old status…

22:24:17 [Leslie] then you and/or your husband will feel like freaking out and you won’t know why.

22:24:57 [Lori] in a good way?

22:35:21 [Leslie1] You’ll freak out because you will feel fear and discomfort. It only means your SC is wrestling to make sense of two ideas that are supposedly true, but incongruent with each other.

22:35:36 [Lori] ok

22:35:40 [Leslie1] That is called the “terror barrier”

22:36:04 [Lori] But that is not a sign to not go on the interview?

22:36:12 [Leslie1] Most people interpret that to mean that it isn’t supposed to happen for them: the change is wrong (change from lack to abundance)

22:36:38 [Leslie1] most people throw the new idea away and cower at the new opportunity.

22:36:50 [Leslie1] and they revert to the same old vibration as before.

22:37:08 [Leslie1] but knowing what is going on is so empowering…

22:37:31 [Leslie1] because when you feel the fear, you can KNOW that you are THIS CLOSE to realizing the dream.

22:37:57 [Leslie1] All you have to do is proceed in SPITE of the fear, and you break through the terror barrier.

22:38:18 [Leslie1] and the fear goes away. FEAR: false evidence appearing real.

22:38:22 [Lori] And if we received confirmation from God in the first place, we only need to remind ourselves of that during the terror barrier, right?

22:39:18 [Leslie1] Right. Now you see why getting His approval is such a good idea. Otherwise, you’d question it at that barrier, and most people aren’t strong enough to break through on their own.

22:40:17 [Lori] I see.

22:40:28 [Leslie1] But once you have established the new “vibration”, keeping it there gets easier because you no longer are trying to believe in abundance that you don’t already have… you get to believe in abundance that you have all around you.

22:42:30 [Lori] I can understand that.

22:42:33 [Leslie1] If you sign up for my newsletter at http://www.thoughtsalive.com/contact.php , you’ll get the first chapter of my book that explains how our thoughts turn into real-life things as we live by these laws.

22:45:03 [Lori] I’ve been curious, with you and with Marnie on Tuesday: why are you willing to spend so much time helping just one person (me) understand all of this?

22:46:00 [Leslie1] You know how I described how poor people keep themselves poor and how rich people keep themselves rich by the vibrations they keep?

22:46:36 [Lori] Right.

22:47:04 [Leslie1] I think that most rich people aren’t even aware of these laws. Only someone that has once had it bad, and managed to break out of it could ever really appreciate the power behind understanding the laws.

22:48:11 [Leslie1] I took that journey, and it just is SO AMAZING to me, and so darn simple, I hunger to see other people discover it and see it work too.

22:48:28 [Lori] I’m grateful for our tough times. I’m hoping these new tough times will be used to help someone in the future.

22:48:54 [Leslie1] I am grateful for mine too… but I didn’t always feel that way.

22:49:35 [Lori] No, neither have I. But the hard times before made the hard times now be easier — I mean, we’ve been poor before,

22:49:46 [Leslie1] I know that I can use these principles to make any changes I’ll need to make through my whole life.

22:49:50 [Lori] so when we unexpectedly didn’t have an income 8 weeks ago, we knew how to react.

22:50:41 [Lori] I am so excited to have these laws. I was in a rut of saying we were having such bad luck — and more and more crazy things were happening to keep that statement true!

22:51:03 [Leslie1] And that’s why I feel rich… not because of money, but because of the knowledge of the power we have in our own mind.

22:51:22 [Leslie1] well I’m impressed that you knew to react in a faithful way 8 weeks ago

22:51:25 [Lori] Thank you so much for your time! I know God will bless you for it.

22:51:53 [Leslie1] Well, I look forward to hearing from you when it all plays out.

22:52:08 [Lori] Um, my attitude wasn’t always right 8 weeks ago, I just mean that I know how to be poor — like as in how to shop frugally.

22:52:44 [Lori] My attitude had to go through many changes. I think it was a God leading that I stumbled upon shelovesgod.com just a week or two before this conference.

22:53:41 [Leslie1] funny how He does that… I found it 2 years ago as an answer to some of my own frustrations over some other things.

22:54:01 [Leslie1] 2 1/2 years ago, I guess

22:54:29 [Lori] You know, this week our “luck” has changed in a few ways. Coincidence?

22:54:45 [Leslie1] no such thing

22:54:52 [Leslie1]

22:54:59 [Lori] I don’t think so either.

22:56:06 [Lori] Thank you again! I’ll let you go now and get some sleep.

22:56:44 [Leslie1] You too, it’s been nice talking with you. You know how to reach me with your success story

22:57:31 [Lori] I will, already it has been successful. I’ll keep you posted! Thanks for the book chapter — I’ll read it tomorrow. Goodnight!

22:57:51 [Leslie1] Goodnight.

For more on this topic, read about the other 7 laws of success.


Leaning on the Lord in a Financial Crisis


I just stumbled onto this old file and thought it may be of use to someone – so I’m posting it here.  It’s a transcript of a chat I conducted way back in 2002:

“Leaning on the Lord in a Financial Crisis” with Leslie Householder

Chat held at the SheLovesGod Virtual Women’s Conference Oct. 16, 2002

[Leslie] While we are waiting to get underway, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Leslie Householder, and I will be conducting this chat with Marnie Pehrson today. We’re glad you stopped by…

[Leslie] I have found in my own life during the last few years a few things that has helped me tremendously with my faith and hope during times of trial, and I hope to transfer some of it here today.

[Leslie] During the chat, if you have a specific question, go ahead and shoot, and as we are able I will try to address as many questions as I can.

[LaMonica] I have a question

[Leslie] go ahead

[Leslie] in the meantime, I want each of you to get a piece of paper

[LaMonica] I lost my job on the 30th of Sept and my pastor has been preaching on having faith and trusting God. I do I know that I am truly trusting Him if I do not trust my self

[Leslie] LaMonica, I think what we will talk about today will help with your faith, ok? Write down (each of you) what blessing or change you are hoping to attain in your life.

[Leslie] and if anyone would like to add to the chat what they are hoping to gain from attending the class today…

[Leslie] I am going to continue as you are doing this…

[Jnn] I’ve been reading a LOT about abundance from a secular point of view and trying to practice it, but I’m eager to hear a Christian perspective.

[Sonya] I really want to be the woman that God has called me to be. I’m finding that as my relationship grows, it is becoming increasingly important to use my talents and abilities for His glory.

[LaMonica] I just want to be the wife and mother God has called me to be…but I know that I need to help out financial as well. We have 2 car notes rent and 5 children that not including the rest that goes with life

[Leslie] sometimes we have a desire for something that we believe God could provide us with, but it is hard to have faith in something you can’t see yet.

[Jnn] very hard — especially if you have limiting beliefs

[Leslie] One thing I want you to all know is that “desire” is reality seeking expression. You do not have any good desire unless the way is being prepared for it to happen.

[Sonya] I believe what the word of God says and the promises from Him that I hold dear in my heart concerning my life. It’s the PROCESS that I am finding difficult.

[Leslie] Have any of you heard of the story in Judges about Gideon’s army against the Midianites

[Sonya] yes

[Jnn] no

[LaMonica] I was reading in James ch2:14-26. It talks about Faith without works is dead. I know that it is impossible to please God with out faith. But how do I know I am really doing what God wants me to do?

[LaMonica] not sure

[Leslie] Gideon needed to defend his army against a massive enemy. Think of your situation, you are Gideon, the Midianites are your opposition, be it lack of faith, or bill collectors, or whatever your opposition is.

[Leslie] We so often base our faith on the things that we see, our circumstances.

[Leslie] True faith comes from believing in something that hasn’t manifest itself yet.

[Jnn] true

[LaMonica] I try to live by walk by faith and not by sight but it hard because the pain can be too much

[Sonya] the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen

[Leslie] So what will happen? The things that your spend your time thinking about are the things that are on their way. Your comments are all so right.

[Leslie] Try this…

[Leslie] think of a dog not chasing a cat.

[Leslie] what did you see?

[Sonya] I see a very bored dog

[Leslie] what was the first thing that came to mind?

[LaMonica] I have some beliefs in some things I want for my life and family but I do I know if it is Gods will for us. I know about calling those things that are not as if they were

[Jnn] can’t do it

[Marnie] a dog chasing a cat

[Jnn] see dog chasing cat

[LaMonica] something is wrong with the dog

[Leslie] thank you Marnie!

[Jnn] me, too

[Leslie] when I say “the dog is not chasing the cat”, the first thing I see in my mind is a dog chasing a cat, and I have to force it from there to change to the bored dog.

[Leslie] Back to Gideon,

[Sonya] like the cup being half full?

[Leslie] he went with his army of 32,000 to battle, but the Lord told him that was too many. Yes, we have to watch our thoughts, as Jesus told us. Not just what we do, but what we think.

[Leslie] Why wouldn’t Gideon just take his 32,000 men to fight?

[LaMonica] Reminds of when Paul says I want to do good but I do the evil anyway.

[Leslie] The Lord told him to reduce his army so that when they win, they will know it was God’s hand that saved them, and not themselves

[Sonya] there were too many men for the Israelites

[Marnie] Cause the Lord kept telling him to take fewer and fewer until he got down to only 300 men.

[Leslie] Just like David and Goliath. God shows us over and over in the scriptures how he gives daunting tasks to the small, and they conquer.

[Marnie] To show forth God’s power

[Leslie] Right, first the Lord told Gideon to send the fearful men home first.

[Sonya] God also wanted the Israelites to depend on Him for the victory, lest they shalt get a big head and

[Leslie] Do you see a parable in THAT?

[LaMonica] Yes

[Leslie] We have to NOT allow ourselves to fear.

[Sonya] boast of their own power

[Kathy] Fear–the big obstacle

[Leslie] When you feel fear, consciously tell yourself you can’t allow it. Picture all the little army men in your head and send the fearful ones away.

[LaMonica] I was once told the Devil lives off fear like God lives off Faith

[Leslie] Know, KNOW that the battle is won AFTER the fearful men are sent away.

[Leslie] Good one, LaMonica.

[Kathy] That’s really good!

[Sonya] amen!!

[Leslie] The army was reduced to 10,000

[Jen] wow for just jumping in on this chat …WOW what a great comparison!

[Leslie] isn’t it interesting that there were more men that feared than were brave.

[Sonya] very interesting

[Leslie] So just because you might tend to feel more fear than faith, God has shown that it is good enough, as you send the fear away.

[LaMonica] I know that there are 3 sizes of faith mustard seed, little and GREAT. I thought that I was passed the mustard seed to little and some times I think I have no faith at all

[Leslie] The next thing he told Gideon was to bring them to the water.

[Leslie] What does water represent in the scriptures?

[Leslie] Who is the living water?

[Marnie] Christ is the Living Water

[Leslie] right

[LaMonica] God

[Sonya] CHRIST

[Jnn] Christ

[Leslie] so we must send the fear away, and that might be a daily exercise…

[Leslie] and then we need to come unto Christ. God allows us to have challenges so that we will come to Him.

[Leslie] We go to him in prayer and acknowledge our dependence on him. We repent of our unfaithfulness. We beg for assistance, and believe He is powerful to deliver.

[Leslie] But there were many that came to the water and were still sent home.

[LaMonica] But how many times does a person have to go down that road? I mean I feel like I have been down this road before and God has seen us through but here I am again.

[Sonya] As long as it takes you to learn the lesson.

[Kathy] Or maybe He wants your faith to grow even more

[Cathy] we constantly travel the road even when we learn, always learning

[LaMonica] I was told to tell the story at the beginning before the end comes. I need to praise God now so when the storm is over I will still be praising

[Leslie] Then let’s move on to the laws… first take your paper and draw a circle the size of a sippy cup lid (I’m a mom)

[Sonya] he Israelites wandered for 40 years, until God told them that they’ circled around the mountain long enough, now turn North

[Leslie] From the bottom of the circle, draw a short line down, and at the end of it draw a smaller circle.

[Leslie] From the bottom of the circle, draw a short line down, and at the end of it draw a smaller circle.

[Leslie] Now, in the top larger circle, draw a horizontal line through the center.

[Leslie] on top of the large circle, draw 5 or 6 little lines, like antennae

[Leslie] and coming out of the little circle, draw four little lines representing arms and legs.

[Leslie] What we have here is a stickman, and it is you.

[Leslie] be sure that the top circle is larger, that is important.

[Leslie] this entire diagram represents your mind

[Jnn] not an artist, but I got it

[Leslie] the top half of the large circle is your conscious mind

[LaMonica] ok

[Leslie] the bottom half is your subconscious.

[Leslie] the little circle is your body

[Leslie] your body, your actions are controlled by your subconscious.

[Leslie] that is why we often have habits that we find very hard to break, because we haven’t yet been successful at changing what is in the subconscious…but that is a whole different lesson for another time.

[Leslie] now….

[Sonya] some time soon I hope

[LaMonica] I know what you mean

[Jnn] yeah, I’d like to hear that lesson, too

[Leslie] draw a line to the right of the body, coming out of it, and put a little arrow at the end of it, pointing to the right

[Leslie] at the end of the arrow, put the word RESULTS

[Leslie] word

[Leslie] the antennae at the top of your head is the input place for what goes into your mind

[Leslie] each antenna represents our different senses.

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[Leslie] can we name them? Shoot

[Leslie] sight

[Marnie] see hear taste touch smell

[Leslie] help me out…

[Sonya] sight, smell, hearing

[Jnn] taste, touch, hearing, sight, smell

[Leslie] thanks, Marnie! Saves the day again

[Leslie] Now, whatever comes into our conscious mind, we have the ability to accept or reject as truth.

[Leslie] That is important for you to remember. You have a filter on your conscious mind

[Leslie] But! (And there’s always a big but…)

[LaMonica] We are told in the WORD that we can take our thoughts captive…

[Leslie] There is NO filter on your subconscious mind.

[Leslie] whatever you hold in your conscious mind, with emotion (because emotion is the method that a thought is turned over to your subconscious…)

[Leslie] is what ends up in your subconscious.

[Sonya] is that the place where our experiences create our mindsets?

[Leslie] yes, and it doesn’t matter what the emotion is….

[Leslie] it could be excitement, it could be fear…

[Leslie] whatever the dominant emotion is.

[Leslie] notice something now…

[Leslie] look at the RESULTS

[Leslie] We spend most of our time paying attention to our results.

[Leslie] we are utilizing the little SEE antenna…

[Leslie] and what kind of emotions are we feeling?

[Leslie] Marnie?

[Sonya] depends on how we equate the situation with past hurt doesn’t it?

[Marnie] Well, if we see something in our lives we don’t like, we might be feeling doubt and fear which would just result in more of what we don’t want.

[Sonya] I like your answer better Marnie

[Leslie] exactly. These are natural laws, so to speak, and God doesn’t interfere automatically in making that change.

[Leslie] Now draw a little cloud above the head

[Leslie] this represents a new idea… a picture in your mind of how you want things to be. It is imaginary, it hasn’t happened yet.

[Leslie] It is your desire

[Leslie] now it has to compete with the stimuli coming in from the antennae

[Leslie] but, if you hold it in your mind and do not cast it away with your doubt, then you have the power to turn it over to your subconscious…

[Leslie] There is a law of vibration that we won’t have time to discuss here, but will be available soon on http://www.thoughtsalive.com . SO, what kind of emotion do you think you could muster as you think about the idea in the little cloud? Feedback, please

[Kathy] Excitement

[Leslie] ok

[Leslie] what else?

[Sonya] indecisiveness

[Marnie] Gratitude

[Jnn] excitement mixed with doubt

[Cathy1] pleasantness

[Leslie] hmmm, let’s look for emotions that are positive, things that cast away doubt… Gratitude is powerful

[Jnn] need the gratitude

[Cathy1] joy

[Leslie] if you can think of the new idea, and CONVINCE your subconscious mind that it is ALREADY true; it won’t know the difference.

[Cathy1] peace

[Leslie] that is your goal. To feel grateful for it REALLY grateful, before it has happened. Is not that real faith?

[Leslie] It is like a game. You are trying to trick your subconscious.

[Leslie] if you fear your current circumstances more than you feel gratitude or excitement for the blessing you desire, then you are being counterproductive, and in a sense, God’s hands will be tied to help you from yourself.

[LaMonica] ok I see what you saying…It is they way we think about things that can truly control the results we want

[LaMonica] ok I see what you saying…It is they way we think about things that can truly control the results we want

[Kathy] I understand what you’re saying, but it seems a bit manipulative.

[Jnn] what I don’t understand is how God’s hands can be tied

[Leslie] It is true. And once it is well established in your subconscious, your body, or the physical part of you moves into a state of being that attracts what you want to yourself. Marnie, will you tell us about the acorn?

[Marnie] It’s self-control. The only thing you are manipulating is yourself… your own thoughts. If we don’t direct our own thoughts, trust me someone else will.

[Sonya] if I say that my”refinement period” is difficult, does that mean I’m not grateful?

[Leslie] He requires faith. If we do not have the faith, h

[Leslie] He cannot help us the way he would like to

[Kathy] I believe God needs our faith to act–we have to take risks, but God is bigger than our thoughts. Do you think we can MAKE something happen?

[Marnie] An acorn holds within it the plan for an oak tree… it doesn’t hold everything (all the materials it needs) to become an oak tree yet…

[Leslie] what do you mean by refinement period?

[Sonya] the refiner’s fire..Becoming more Christ like everyday..

[Marnie] If you hold the oak tree in your hand, it will never grow, but if you plant it in the right soil, it will sprout and grow and begin to draw to itself everything it needs to become a tree.

[Marnie] Our thoughts… our righteous desires are like the acorn. If we don’t plant it and hold it in our minds, they will never grow/materialize.

[Jnn] what about the prayer “help my unbelief”?

[Leslie] ah. Well, I have found that we are here to overcome obstacles, and grow closer to God through them. As we get better at exercising our faith, we are prepared for different challenges. These ideas are just a way to look at what is happening and a way to empower us to maintain faith. We

[Kathy] I also think honesty about our thoughts is important. I think God can handle our negative thoughts. I do agree that they can take root and defeat us, thought.

[Marnie] Faith is like a seed… plant it and it grows. Cast it out and nothing grows. That’s why James said faith without works is dead. The “work” is to plant the seed and follow the promptings the Lord gives you as you hold your vision with your eye of faith.

[Leslie] all struggle with faith, and at a time when I suffered from depression, I felt very discouraged because I could not seem to “hold” the positive thoughts long enough to turn it over to my subconscious. And I haven’t even gotten into what happens once it is there… I hope we have time… but during

[Leslie] that time, I would go in prayer with “help me with my unbelief…” and confess to Him that I just wasn’t capable. I was doing the best I could, but I needed him to make up the difference. And through Christ, I received the blessing anyway. But it required all I could do, and then a surrender, a

[Leslie] giving it over to Him.

[LaMonica] I know what you mean Leslie…I had to get away from the negative and be around people that were positive and read positive think positive in order to gain the positive back. Plus a lot of praying

[Leslie] Here’s an example of what happens once it is in our subconscious…

[Marnie] When we come to Christ and surrender to Him, we enter into a partnership with Him and His infinite goodness – His infinite “positiveness” can overpower our “negative.” It’s called His GRACE.

[Marnie] God’s Riches At Christ’s Expense

[Sonya] Thank You Jesus

[Marnie] Go ahead Leslie…take a few more minutes and talk about what happens once it is in our subconscious…

[Leslie] We were moving and needed a fridge. At the time we didn’t have the money to get one, and yet I wouldn’t let myself think about “oh, no, what are we gonna do??!!” Rather, I spent my quiet time visualizing the kind and color it would be, feeling gratitude that it was on it’s way…

[Leslie] and my husband and I went to a church social with it on our minds, and a man we rarely ever talk to was sitting and we just went and sat by him. (Our subconscious sort of leading the way… the Spirit works with us like that…)

[Leslie] and as we chatted with him, it came up in a very passive way and he said, “no kidding, I have one just like that that I am looking to get rid of. I was going to have the utility co come pick it up this week.”

[Leslie] God came through because we had faith and acted on the little promptings

[Leslie] I didn’t have to beg, I didn’t have to use my will power, and I only had to see it in my mind, and be grateful for it.

[LaMonica] That is just the kind of God He is

[Leslie] power, excuse me

[Leslie] So pay attention to your thoughts, and your emotions. Make sure you are only turning over thoughts of the unseen and not your circumstances. Don’t fear. Send the fear-men home!

[Leslie It looks like we are out of time, Marnie are we able to stay for questions?

[Marnie] Sure, you can stay all day for all I care.

[LaMonica] Thank you this was very helpful. I hope to be able to attend more of these

[Kathy] Thanks, Leslie. I have to return to my work now.

[Leslie] I am going to take a diaper change break, brb

[LaMonica] I about to take a leap of faith I am feeling out a Job application but I am praying that God will be done

[Marnie] Everybody Don’t forget our Teleclass today, “You’re Late Again Lord, The Impatient Woman’s Guide to God’s Timing” with author, Karon Goodman at 2:00 pm ET today.

[Marnie] One thing that Leslie didn’t get a chance to mention is the importance of knowing that what you are desiring is God’s Will for you.

[Jnn] if this abundance stuff is a Law, then when God is “late”, isn’t that because of our lack of faith?

[Marnie] The very first step is to make sure that your desires are in alignment with God’s will. And then you can KNOW that it WILL come to pass in its appointed time.

[Marnie] God is never late… just like the acorn, everything has it’s own gestation period. A tree takes years to grow; a baby takes 9 months to develop in the womb

[LaMonica] I have always found God to be on TIME…Just when I needed Him the most He shows up and Shows OUT

[Marnie] Your desires take time to germinate and grow.

[Marnie] You can’t lose faith and call God late… you just have to hang on and wait for the appointed time.

[Jnn] So the secular abundance people who say we can have anything we want are wrong?

[Sonya] Thank you for that Marnie, I think that’s what I really needed to hear.

[Marnie] You’re welcome. If you didn’t get a chance to ready my study lesson this week… you might like to read it.

[Marnie] It’s called “How to Really Give it to God”

[LaMonica] Sounds good I need that.

09:07:06 [Marnie] It discusses a lot of this. Also Leslie has an e-course on the site too called “Living the Abundant Life”

[Marnie] It’s http://www.shelovesgod.com/classes/abundance/

[Sonya] I read it a few days ago. It was very helpful.

[LaMonica] I think why I have not gotten what God has for me right now is because I have not truly turned everything over to Him.

[Leslie] Jnn, even godless people can get what they want, by using natural laws that govern prosperity… but it is important to me to know that what I desire is right for me. You know, “what profiteth a man if he should gain the whole world and lose his soul…”

[Jnn] oh!

[Leslie] Jnn, we can use the laws of success to get what you want… even godless people can use these principles… what they don’t understand though,…

[Jnn] I see what you mean !

[LaMonica] I have a lot of bitter and hatred in my heart towards my father wife. My father passed away in Jan of this year and it is hard for me to forgive her for some of the things that she has done to my father and me. But I pray that God will allow me to let it go and let him have His way.

[Leslie] hang on, Marnie, my page isn’t scrolling anymore, are my comments posting?

[Marnie] The Lord grants to us according to our desires – whether they be for our own good or whether they be for our detriment. That is why it is SOOO incredibly important to make sure our desires are in alignment with HIS will first

[Sonya] this makes so much sense!

[Jnn] I really never thought of that

Leslie enters this room

[LaMonica] I know that I cant be blessed holding on to anything that is not of God.

[Marnie] Glad it’s starting to make sense.

[Jnn] be careful what you ask for, is really true, I guess!

[Sonya] LM, I know how difficult forgiveness can be, but what’s the flip side? Can you have a fulfilling life with the Lord?

[Sonya] if you hold on to bitterness?

[Leslie] Right, you get what you ask for

[Sonya] You hold yourself in bondage

[LaMonica] Yes it has been 9months and now when someone tries to tell me what she says I pray Lord please do not let me accept what I am hearing

[Marnie] Proverbs tells us that “as a man thinketh so is he” Thoughts are powerful things. They’re ALIVE – right Leslie

[Leslie] That is one of those things that you beg the Lord for mercy. You don’t have to be perfect to see these principles work. But you do need to acknowledge your unworthiness and dependence.

[Leslie] “Mind is the Master power that molds and makes,

[Leslie] And Man is Mind, and evermore he takes

[Leslie] The tool of Thought, and, shaping what he wills,

[Leslie] Brings forth a thousand joys, a thousand ills:

[Leslie] He thinks in secret, and it comes to pass,

[Leslie] Environment is but his looking glass.”

[Leslie] -James Allen,

[Leslie] “As a Man Thinketh”

[Marnie] Christ works MIRACLES and what is the definition of a MIRACLE? When God brings something about that seems to defy natural laws. It’s not that they are defied…it’s just that when we can’t live by them, if we trust in Christ, He lives in perfect harmony with them and we are in a partnership with Him and thus nothing is impossible for us.

[LaMonica] I have asked God to forgive me in March…the pain is not as bad as it used to be but I know I am not where I need to be

[Sonya] A family member abused me as a child and I spent SO many years hating him for it. Until I saw a vacation picture of him with his family. They were laughing and carrying on, and I got so mad because here I was sitting on the couch like Boo Boo the fool Hating him, when he could’ve care less. His

[Sonya] life was moving on, while mine was in a state of paralysis.

[Sonya] not cool.

[LaMonica] Thank you all for listening…it is hard for me to talk to anyone that knows me about this because they know what I have gone through with my day and his wife. They tell me I have a right to feel that way when I know in reality I do not because it is about GOD and not me or anyone else

[Sonya] God bless you sister

[LaMonica] Thank you

[Leslie] You have a desire for peace, and that alone is evidence that there will be a way. Hang on to that hope, and expect you’ll see it in reality one day.

[LaMonica] I keep repeating John 27:14 to myself. I make it personal. I put my name in the verse

[Marnie] I read an article once about a woman whos husband had been unfaithful. She was trying very hard to forgive, but just wasn’t able to do it yet. Her bishop advised her “to hold a place in your heart for forgiveness and when it comes, embrace it.”

[Marnie] In essence, he was teaching her these principles… to hold in her heart a place for what she wanted and when the time was right she would be able to forgive.

[Marnie] Eventually she did.

[Jnn] Ooh ! Tell me more about holding a place for something!!

[Jnn] Heard about it but don’t understand it

[Sonya] yes, do tell!

[Marnie] I think it’s acknowledging that you have a desire for something… even though you may have no clue how to achieve it or not be able to do it yet. You use these principles…

[LaMonica] I want so badly to forgive her but it hurts and I don’t want to be rejected by her. I want to be able to move pass this but it seems like the more I try the devil tells me why do it she is only out to hurt you and she do not care anything about you/

[Sonya] LM, I would like to be in agreement with you, but there is no John 27″14

[Marnie] You hold the desire in your mind… that you have forgiven that you can forgive and then as you do this, people, information, events will come along and you will be prompted how to use them to be able to gain what you desire.

[LaMonica] Sorry 14:27

[Sonya] Is it possible to have unforgiveness toward yourself, even if the events were not your fault? How do you deal with that? In the same manner?

[Marnie] In other words… don’t tell yourself, “I’ll never be able to forgive her” Tell yourself that you are in the process of finding forgiveness… That you are so happy and grateful that the Lord is helping you to forgive her.

[Jnn] when I heard it, the person described it in reference to expecting a person to be kind or nice or receptive and then, they were…holding a place for them to be all those things. Does that work?

[Jnn] oops

[Jnn] can relate to your question, Sonya! I think we can!

[Marnie] I believe it does. I use this. I expect good from people and I invariably find the good.

[Marnie] I know someone who looks to be taken, mistreated and ill-liked and she is!

[Marnie] You draw to yourself what you’re focusing on. Focus on being able to forgive, being able to find wonderful people and you’ll find those things.

[Marnie] That’s really how I met Leslie…

[LaMonica] I have tried that too…but I never see her…I try to believe she has good in her but she continues to keep doing evil. Especially when she calls other people and tell them to tell me what to do. She for some reason thinks I am out to get her but I not. My father is asleep with the Lord let him

[Jnn] Is there a way to practice this new skill or train our selves? I’m finding it hard to do!

[Jnn] ourselves

[Marnie] I had some financial challenges and I went to the Lord and said, “Father, I know you have the answer. You know everything. You can teach me the principles I need to know to solve this situation.” Within a few weeks… I met Leslie and she started teaching me these principles and now

[Marnie] everything is so much better!

[Jnn] I have been pretty pessimistic in the past and am trying to change that

[Marnie] It’s like night and day.

[Jnn] so the secret is to find a good coach?

[Leslie] On the backside, I was struggling to forgive an individual and saw her article on forgiveness and replied to that. God uses bad situations to make good things happen.

[Marnie] Maybe so.

[Marnie] Right… if I had never had my financial situation, I never would have written the article on forgiveness… which made her reply to me, share her story and me tell her mine and her offer to teach me this.

[LaMonica] I have a song that says what the devil meant for your bad God has turned it around for your good.

[Marnie] Ask and ye shall receive… and in the Economy of the Lord He brings people together who have what each other needs. EXPECT him to do that for you.

[Leslie] first you must fix in your mind what you are after, get a coach if that’s what you are prompted to do. Read the Parable of the Jackrabbit, Marnie where would they find that?

[Sonya] I try to be a coach to a woman at work, but the is a little more than I can handle. I think she would rather get feedback from squirrels. She worships the universe.

[Sonya] no kidding


[Marnie] Go to http://www.thoughtsalive.com/articles/ and click on the title.

[Jnn] sounds New Age

[Leslie] That story helps you understand why you can’t do what everyone else is doing to get what they got

[Jnn] the universe thing, I mean

[Sonya] I think it’s so important to have that rich soil Marnie spoke of earlier. I think you have to be prayerful, but also read and study the word. They go hand in hand.

[Marnie] definitely, Sonya

[Leslie] Reading and studying the Word is taking control of what goes through the little antennae.

[LaMonica] That is the point I am at now. I have bought me a NIV translation bible and It has opened my eyes a GREAT deal.

[Leslie] feeling the Spirit is the most powerful emotion there is for turning an idea over to the subconscious, and the Lord

[Sonya] this may be off track but how do you organize your study? I mean, how do you decide what you are going to read?

[Leslie] I fix in my mind what I want and act on promptings.

[Sonya] are you answering my question Leslie?

[LaMonica] I am reading in the book of James It talks about faith and wisdom and taming the tongue…when I read this I begin to pray for forgiveness

[Jnn] praise and worship seems like a good way to pair positive emotion with prayer for what you want.

[Leslie] two nights ago it was a simple, “open your scriptures” so I did and got an answer I needed, in a random place. Sometimes it is turn on BYUTV on cable, sometimes it is call a friend,

[Marnie] I think the most important talent we can develop is to learn to recognize and follow the promptings of the Spirit.

[Marnie] Also… to understand what the Spirit is saying to you.

[Jnn] amen to that

[Leslie] Always put yourself in a place to hear the Word. Go to church even when you are tired. Even when you are travelling.

[Leslie] Even if you don’t know anybody there

[Sonya] Was it Jehosaphat that kept asking the Lord for signs? If this is really you Lord…

[LaMonica] Ok you just gave confirmation to what my husband has been telling me

[Marnie] I think it was Gideon, Sonya

[LaMonica] We have a church service tonight and I told him we were not going and he said yes we were.

[Leslie] Funny, even Gideon did that. Right before the battle with the Midianites, he felt the Lord would help them win, but he doubted and asked that he put dew on only some lambs wool in the morning…

[LaMonica] Jehosaphat was the one that showed up for the battle and did not have to fight.

[Sonya] I’m glad this isn’t who wants to be a millionaire! Aye!

[Leslie] and then the next day or maybe it was the first time, anyway, he said, please don’t be upset with me, but could you please just now put dew on the ground around the wool and leave the wool dry?

[Leslie] I don’t feel good personally about asking for signs to prove He is there for me, but it is nice to know that he is merciful to our unbelief so long as we keep trying.

[LaMonica] I just want you all to know how much my spirit has been lifted. I feel the HOLY SPIRIT I want to shout and dance.

[Marnie] 🙂

[Jnn] this has been VERY helpful!!

[Leslie] And, Jnn, it is also nice to know that Christ has overcome the world for us, that is why believers can see miracles in spite of our weaknesses. Unbelievers have to rely solely on their ability to live by Natural law.

[LaMonica] nobody is home but me so I know that I won’t be bothering anyone

[Sonya] Don’t let us stop you! SHOUT!!!

[Leslie] lol

[Leslie] THIS is emotion!

[Leslie] What you desire is on its way!

[Jnn] I really wanted confirmation from Christians about this abundance stuff, and I’m glad to get it here

[Jnn] go for it, LaMonica !

[Marnie] I’m glad you found your answers today, ladies

[Jnn] oh, that IS cool !


[Jnn] Amen !

[Marnie] Ask and ye shall receive…

[Sonya] I can’t shout, I’m at work, but I’m gonna do a little jig as soon as I log off.

[Leslie] used to be so trite, now you see why it is so TRUE

[Leslie] hoho LOL

[Leslie] still lol

[Marnie] I’d like to see your coworkers’ face when you do that!

[Leslie] Well, I need to go, It has been wonderful chatting with you all. Stop by anytime and say “hey” at http://www.thoughtsalive.com 😉

[Marnie] Thanks for staying late, Leslie. This has been great, just like I knew it would be.

[Jnn] Leslie, thank you !!!

[Sonya] they think I’m crazy anyway, it won’t phase them. it’s my peace they don’t understand.

[Marnie] Thanks for coming everyone. God bless you all as you seek after your righteous desires!

[Sonya] I love you all in the Lord. take care Bye!

[LaMonica] I feel so much better

[Jnn] thank you, and bless you, too !

[Jnn] bye everybody

[Marnie] That’s great LM

[LaMonica] Sonya do mind what is your email

[Marnie] bye!

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